What is coming...

[sid]

I know there are many out there that remember out goal of running a baseball game, then Trent got a real job! We now have others that will be helping, don't get us wrong, football is still the first priority, BUT, we are now back on this project. Keep watching, the general plan is head to head for 162 games a year with floating rosters... stay tuned for more specific rules. Don't go nuts and expect it in commercial version before 2007, but we are now back on it. Wish us luck!

In the next few weeks we will post the rules as they were 2+ years ago, again, this ain't a democracy, but comments welcome... most of the time. In my opinion (like anyone cares) the baseball game is MORE extreme than our football game, that to be determined. Stay tuned......

sid

[BaseballJunkieStuart]

Baseball..... Ahh.... America's game..... Now THAT would be extreme..... I hope that it can get done..... Looks like it should be a great product..... Especially to a fan of both sports...

Stuart

[tec]

i remember that in the original rules the only pitcher who could qualify for a save was the designated closer. I think that other RP should also qualify for saves too- i realize it doesnt happen very often but often enough...

also i dont recall if the original rules included a category for 'HOLDS'....that would be a good one to include if you are considering rules modifications.

thanks

tom c

[TrentK]

tec wrote:
i remember that in the original rules the only pitcher who could qualify for a save was the designated closer. I think that other RP should also qualify for saves too- i realize it doesnt happen very often but often enough...

also i dont recall if the original rules included a category for 'HOLDS'....that would be a good one to include if you are considering rules modifications.

thanks

tom c

Tom,

there is a list of closers, only one can count with a save in a given EFS Game.

Holds were in already from before.

[tec]

Trent-

thanks....glad to hear you are back!!

tc

[Wolves]

Is there going to be baseball in 2007?

[FantasyGM]

The last I heard, it was very close to being ready. Now, I'm not sure if that means it'll be ready before the new baseball season begins but I'll look into it.

[Raven Maniac]

It would be great if we could get it together for the 2007 season.

[mat28]

Hi-I don't know what the deal is but I would be interested in a team if any are available.
Thanks.
Mat

[paladisiac]

it's doubtful since i'm integral to the effort, but i'm hoping to have something in place for a "second half of the baseball season" -kinda thing.

i'm still converting football from the old pages. (only 2 pages left!) after that, i can focus on baseball (as well as other football improvements).

[tec]

if that works out that would be great, we could test out the system and get it ready for full blown launch prior to 2008 season!

tc

[Bogman36]

Hey guys I'm willing to help out to get baseball rolling in whatever way I can.


Scott Bogman
Boggy85260@yahoo.com

[pheenix11]

Man I'm itchin to play some EFS style fantasy baseball. After EFS football, I can't go for some pansy ESPN baseball league. Please add my name to the list when you guys are ready to get up and running or do some beta testing.

Rich
pheenix11@yahoo.com

[Laverkid]

If this is going to happen I am more than happy to help test. I am pretty active in EFS so if there are bugs I should be able to sniff some out. Let me know if/when this happens.

Travis Laver
EFS ID 713
PM me and I can get you an email address when needed.

[tec]

Rockey- be nice if efs could have beta baseball ready for 08 season, which really means Jan/Feb 08 to draft teams etc before season started.....based upon your Football requirements, any predictions concerning baseball?

tc

[paladisiac]

thought i already posted this this morning, but... i've begun work on fantasy baseball! still looking at a feb 2009 delivery date.

[paladisiac]

If you were part of the original alpha product 3-or-so years ago and recognize your team below, let me know and i'll "hook you back up". (I'm guessing this will be the first ?and only? baseball beta league.) I've guessed who some of these people are. Whoever i can't find will need to be replaced.

EFS baseball league 1

CID LID OID OFEAT OTNAME
00001001 000001 01 Millbury Marauders
- i -think- this was Jason Smen
00001002 000001 02 paladisiac.com
- myself
00001003 000001 03 Manitoba Blizzard
00001004 000001 04 Chin Music
- Tom Cool
00001005 000001 05 Marlboro Reds
- i -think- this was trent
00001006 000001 06 South Park Cows
00001007 000001 07 Cleveland Indians
00001008 000001 08 Austin Thrashers
- Sean from my efs league 12
00001009 000001 09 Kansas City Easy Riders
- Dominick, right?
00001010 000001 10 Copenhagen Twins
- Byron Brand
00001011 000001 11 Maryland Rebels
- Walt Mathais
00001012 000001 12 Vipers

(CID's would need to be fixed. Part of the "hook up" process.)

[paladisiac]

another thing to clarify is, when i keep mentioning feb 2009, i'm talking some sort of pay league(s). If i can put something serviceable out there by feb-apr 2008, then this baseball league 1 would start us off.

[Raven Maniac]

Rock,

I was Maryland Rebels. Walt OID 39

[easybpw]

Rock,

I had a team with Trent too. He gave it to me half way in the season because someone left. I'd LOVE to get back into a baseball league.

Bill

I think I still called my team The E-Streakers

[paladisiac]

Rock,

I had a team with Trent too. He gave it to me half way in the season because someone left. I'd LOVE to get back into a baseball league.

Bill

I think I still called my team The E-Streakers

i vaguely remember you being in the league. There's no "e-streakers" in the list. do you know who you replaced? who was on your team? etc? something i can tie you to your beta team? (i vaguely remember you being south park cows or indians, but am not sure.)

[paladisiac]

i just went through all the old boards and found this info:

tom cool
ChinMusic

Bryon Brand
Copenhagen Twins

The E-Streakers also plan on participating next year!
Bill (easybpw)

So Bill, i'll need to figure out who you replaced..

[paladisiac]

If you were part of the original alpha product 3-or-so years ago and recognize your team below, let me know and i'll "hook you back up". (I'm guessing this will be the first ?and only? baseball beta league.) I've guessed who some of these people are. Whoever i can't find will need to be replaced.

EFS baseball league 1


those people that i've thus far identified will see their beta league 1 teams on the owner's page after the next update. (no baseball links work yet so don't become too excited.)

[tec]

ChinMusic was my team, and i would definitely like to be part of beta league or whatever.

i know there are lots of other folks interested, from all the other posts here, so it would be great if the next/first league was a 16 teamer!!! which means we would need to add 4 teams minimum...

thanks

tc

[paladisiac]

i know there are lots of other folks interested, from all the other posts here, so it would be great if the next/first league was a 16 teamer!!! which means we would need to add 4 teams minimum...

thanks

tc

Tough part is redoing the schedule from 12 to 16 team league. I'll look into that. i'd like it to be a 16 team league as well.

[tec]

team name appears in Green....obviously no links to anything as yet..but hey its a start!!

thanks and good luck on rest of it...

tc

[Lestat88]

I think a 16 team beta league would be great if practical for Stan, Rocky, et. al.

Bryon
Lestat
Copenhagen Twins

[mcardelino]

Will there be EFS baseball in 2008? Count me in!

[halvy]

I am all for baseball count me in. CID# 843

[mikea]

im in mike adamczyk cid # 18

[Texas Hawg]

I'd like in CID #199

Also CID #861 asked me to post he's interested as well.

[Tennessee Copperheads]

I also am interested, CID 184.

[jberg234]

I'm interested too...OID 519

Joe Berg

[chasepayton0621]

I would love in #719

[paladisiac]

i'm back on this. working on bb page #1 (transaction history) now.

[lazyhx]

count me in #816

[lanewilliams]

You can count me in
OID664

[Cammee]

Has a baseball waiting list been setup yet? Love to play.

CID 852

[paladisiac]

i'm working on baseball RIGHT NOW :eek:

[EDIT: there's a lot of work to do just to put up one page like the transaction history page...]

[paladisiac]

Just for you baseball fans looking forward to this: i consider myself about 20% done with the baseball stuff. It's the easiest 20%, but i've made a fair amount of progress while in-between jobs. It's not going to be enough to be ready by april, but i'm hoping to have something people can check out and we can "alpha" by the all-star break, with either a "beta" or a true product for the 2009 season.

[tec]

sounds good....looking forward to it

[pheenix11]

Count me in when the times comes, CID 327

[TKO]

Count me in too. CID 798. My bro is also interested....CID 799.

If you need people for beta testing, or whatever, let us know.

[Cammee]

I'm also interested - CID - 852

[paladisiac]

Those in the initial beta league will see "team penalties" and "league penalties" on the next update. Graciously, all teams begin with 0 penalties.

After a quick count, there are about 30-ish functional pages to complete for baseball. After today, the completed total will jump 200%, from 1 to 3. i also have a lot of "backend" work done for Detailed View & Find Player, but i decided to give myself a break and "accomplish" something i could see a quick return from. Thus, i knocked out penalties in the shake of snoop dogg's tail.

[meyword]

When it comes time to start beta-testing a league, I would be very interested in helping out!

Charlie Meyer
Olympia Brewhawks / Lg. 67
Brewhawks 66 - Foster / Lg. 66
CID 710
meyword@comcast.net
:D

[paladisiac]

Looks like i'll have Owner Master ready too, so the long wait to change your team name will be over.

[tec]

looking forward to the baseball re-start! also available for beta testing...

tc

[Cammee]

Count me in as well if space available.

[paladisiac]

almost done with the league master page. trying to knock off a bunch of "easier" ones.

[paladisiac]

i'm still hoping to "alpha" test march 1st. FINGERS CROSSED.

[paladisiac]

i'm tackling trades next, kind of because i'm avoiding the tougher pages for a little while. trades in baseball are unique for two reasons:

01) trading (keeping) up to 75% of a player's salary
02) player to be named later

#2's the biggie. #2 introduces new functionality.

[jimn23]

Baseball league beta testing

Also wanted to sign up for beta testing if possible

UID 920
EFS League 3000(Writers' league)

[tec]

just clicked on the link to my team page, looking good so far. hopefully you will be able to flesh out the drop downs by March 09...

tc

[paladisiac]

I'm behind schedule, so i'm going to work on stuff as the season goes along. First, the draft stuff, then rosters, ufa, etc.


just clicked on the link to my team page, looking good so far. hopefully you will be able to flesh out the drop downs by March 09...

tc

[jkp1974a]

Rockey - please keep up the good work

[paladisiac]

I'm back to working on baseball. Tackling the draft-related pages next, because that'll be the first "alpha baseball" event.

[tec]

if you have a Rulebook from way back when we played the original Beta league, send it to me in Word version and i can update it like i did for the Football version. perhaps when that is available we could post it and get input from prospective owners- they could get a peek preview of how this will work?

thanks

tc

[paladisiac]

yeah, i can do that. i have a rulebook from "wayback" that i've been designing/coding to. I might have multiple documents, so whatever i find that's relevant, i'll send you.


if you have a Rulebook from way back when we played the original Beta league, send it to me in Word version and i can update it like i did for the Football version. perhaps when that is available we could post it and get input from prospective owners- they could get a peek preview of how this will work?

thanks

tc

[jeremybaines]

Hey Guys,

If you need an extra set of eyes for anything baseball related just let me know...that is by far my favorite sport and I can't wait for the baseball to get going...I really like the football and can only imagine how great the baseball will be.....Baseball is 1A for me and Football is 1B...lol

[paladisiac]

rules sent


yeah, i can do that. i have a rulebook from "wayback" that i've been designing/coding to. I might have multiple documents, so whatever i find that's relevant, i'll send you.

[paladisiac]

tom, what's your email? the email i sent was rejected.


rules sent

[paladisiac]

I've now completed copying football to baseball code and making sure everything compiles. Some/little functionality has been converted as per our fantasy baseball rules, so i have a way to go in actually coding our fantasy BASEBALL implementation. However, =>i<= am now all set for -alpha- fantasy baseball. "alpha" is defined as most functionality being worked on and fixed/perfected as the functionality is needed. The first needed functionality will be the draft, which i shouldn't have much work for. (aka, a welcome breather for me.) Alpha fantasy baseball will be free like the beta leagues (of fantasy football), but will not be stable.

Now i have to see where Stan is as he has the next big work of loading current player data, setting up the draft data queues and other related work. In the meantime, review the draft room stuff and tweak what needs tweaking. (Replacing EFSPOS & NFLPOS for POS1 & POS2 sounds like one item.)

[tec]

i PM'd you with my email addy

thanks

tc

[tec]

will there be one beta league? 12 or 16 team? or more than one league....? i think there are enough interested parties for one 16 team lg, or two leagues....

[tec]

Rockey-

when i click on team name i get this error message-

Error loading payment page -- league and owner don't match or missing bill code.
Please go back and try again.

when i click on league or any of the Actions links i get this message-

Page does not exist

thanks

tc

[paladisiac]

i'll have to update everyone's "paid through" year. Not a biggie.


Rockey-

when i click on team name i get this error message-

Error loading payment page -- league and owner don't match or missing bill code.
Please go back and try again.

when i click on league or any of the Actions links i get this message-

Page does not exist

thanks

tc

[paladisiac]

Ok, if you were part of the original beta league, i hope you've logged in recently. We'll need to replace all "defunct" owners. Stan & i plan on talking 02/02 to make the draft room work, although i don't know if we'll even have players...

Meanwhile, i'm trying to make sure what i know exists of the draft stuff works.

[tec]

great news!! just so you know, when i click on league name, i cannot see other teams. when i click on my team name i can see ther pull downs across top of window altho there is nothing there under any of them. good to hear progress is being made....

u da man!!!

tc

[paladisiac]

i haven't worked on too much in depth. transaction history should work. (no transactions to be found.) roster detail doesn't. (That'll be the next thing Stan & i work on after the draft.) trades are flushed out a little. i've worked on the draft a bit (but there are no picks).

It'll go slow, but hopefully we'll make progress.

[tec]

Trade listing is up but no trades to be found, none expected. Transaction history also works....

tc

[tec]

12 teams are listed there.....all from Beta league of few years ago.

tc

[paladisiac]

Yes.

Jason, can you check to see if any of these baseball owners of beta league 1 are current or not? We need to replace those not current with others.

[tec]

Rockey-

i can see the RED 'Vet' draft link at top of the Team Page, not populated yet tho.

also the Active Trades pulldown does have the test trade between yourself and Milbury listed but again no details ...

looks like progress!!!

thanks

tc

[tec]

Rockey-

i can see the Trade function, actually when i go to New Trade I can see what i presume was my roster from a few years ago. When I choose the teams to trade with, these are the teams that are listed (their players are there too!!):

Millbury
the paladasiac
Manitoba
Chin Music
Marlboro
South Park
Cleveland
Austin
Kansas City
Copenhagen
Maryland
Vipers

not sure who the owners were of some of these team anymore....

[Cammee]

If you need participants I'm interested - OID 852

[paladisiac]

Our current big hurdle is fantasy baseball statistics. I'm working on that now. Trent K used to download them from mlb.com on a daily basis. Obviously we want something more automated, and that will most likely cost money, especially at the daily detail we want. This could end up being the hurdle that kills fantasy baseball for 2009.

Assuming we continue as a "go", we're hoping to have the draft stuff and roster-related stuff done by the end of March. We're probably going to ask that whoever wants to stay in this beta league has to be highly active, because our draft will probably be short -- if the coding is done by end-of-March, the MLB season starts April 5. Otherwise, there'll be a "staggared start" to our season.

[easybpw]

Just an FYI - I don't think the list of teams you found are current because when Trent ran it he gave me a team that was abandoned and I do not see it listed in that list.

Good luck with baseball. I am anxiously awaiting it!

Bill

[paladisiac]

Status:

I'm very disappointed in the response i've received from stats providers. It's a recession -- don't you think they'd urgently want our business? I started hitting these guys up in January! Anyway, i don't think we'll be able to make April 1st, but i'm hoping we can call it a "strike-preempted" season and still start a little later than that. (We have the vet draft to do first, of course.) I'll continue to keep you posted.

[CANES]

Status:

I'm very disappointed in the response i've received from stats providers. It's a recession -- don't you think they'd urgently want our business? I started hitting these guys up in January! Anyway, i don't think we'll be able to make April 1st, but i'm hoping we can call it a "strike-preempted" season and still start a little later than that. (We have the vet draft to do first, of course.) I'll continue to keep you posted.

Count me in when you get this going.....

[paladisiac]

UPDATE:

We're FINALLY negotiating with a statistics provider. There are still hurdles to vault so this could all fall apart, but there's finally some progress today. Right now, i'm thinking BEST CASE scenario shows us vet drafting in two weeks. But that's a best case scenario. There's a fair amount of work to do, and Stan has a bunch of it and could very well scoff at a two week estimate. (If you're curious, we have to load MLB divisions, teams, players, schedule and then come up with the EFS schedule because i don't think the original one we used is around anymore. After all of this, and probably some stuff we haven't thought of yet, then we can start talking vet draft.)

[tec]

thanks for the update.... i can feel that we are getting close! looking forward to this very much!!

[CANES]

UPDATE:

We're FINALLY negotiating with a statistics provider. There are still hurdles to vault so this could all fall apart, but there's finally some progress today. Right now, i'm thinking BEST CASE scenario shows us vet drafting in two weeks. But that's a best case scenario. There's a fair amount of work to do, and Stan has a bunch of it and could very well scoff at a two week estimate. (If you're curious, we have to load MLB divisions, teams, players, schedule and then come up with the EFS schedule because i don't think the original one we used is around anymore. After all of this, and probably some stuff we haven't thought of yet, then we can start talking vet draft.)

How do we get in on this? Is league already set or can I still join in?

[paladisiac]

The league is already set; HOWEVER, there are 1-or-more DEFUNCT owners with teams in the beta league, so there will probably be 1-or-more spots available, most likely handed out in the order of posts to this thread.


How do we get in on this? Is league already set or can I still join in?

[Cammee]

I would be interested in joining(don't think I'm in) if there's room - OID 852

[tec]

once you and Sid work out the time schedule i suggest that you all deliver the Rules to the teams involved so the owners can become familiar with them

tc

[paladisiac]

big wrench thrown into this yesterday. stats people we were going to use finally let us know how much they'd charge and it was well more than we can afford. so we're going to try to find another provider or some other means to acquire the data.

[paladisiac]

Here's the status, mostly not good:

We've found that the stats providers are out of our price range (by over $10 grand annually). If we have no stats, then we can't go forward.

The neutral news is that i've found where the raw mlb stats are. However, to do it ourselves would take a lot of time/effort. Stan's currently looking at if we can pull this off.

[easybpw]

Rockey,

Not to butt in where I'm not wanted but...why not use Excel and macros to get you your stats? Some time ago I with a lot of help developed some macros that went out to NFL.com, downloaded the gamebooks for that week, stripped out the HTML, found the stats that I needed, and put it into a spreadsheet that I used to mimic EFS and their scoring. Once I had all my formulas correct in my spreadsheet all I had to do was run my macro and get my scores. I would think baseball would be much easier than football. Don't get me wrong, it took time to develop. I had someone who knew what they were doing helping me and it probably took about 40 hours total to do it but once it was done it worked for years. Only last year NFL.com redesigned their site and it no longer would work but I suppose that if I had someone who knew more about macros that I could have done it again. That would be your only pitfall, if the site you were using suddenly had a redesign and you had to start from scratch. I know for a 100% fact that there are experts out there who would help or at least see if it was possible to do. Yes, they would charge a fee but once you got it working, provided that website stayed as they were, you wouldn't have to pay them again. For me I used NFL.com for 3-4 years. Now maybe this isn't practical but you never know without asking.

Just my 2 cents. Trying to help. I'd love for baseball to be a product EFS provided.

Bill

[CANES]

Rockey,

Not to butt in where I'm not wanted but...why not use Excel and macros to get you your stats? Some time ago I with a lot of help developed some macros that went out to NFL.com, downloaded the gamebooks for that week, stripped out the HTML, found the stats that I needed, and put it into a spreadsheet that I used to mimic EFS and their scoring. Once I had all my formulas correct in my spreadsheet all I had to do was run my macro and get my scores. I would think baseball would be much easier than football. Don't get me wrong, it took time to develop. I had someone who knew what they were doing helping me and it probably took about 40 hours total to do it but once it was done it worked for years. Only last year NFL.com redesigned their site and it no longer would work but I suppose that if I had someone who knew more about macros that I could have done it again. That would be your only pitfall, if the site you were using suddenly had a redesign and you had to start from scratch. I know for a 100% fact that there are experts out there who would help or at least see if it was possible to do. Yes, they would charge a fee but once you got it working, provided that website stayed as they were, you wouldn't have to pay them again. For me I used NFL.com for 3-4 years. Now maybe this isn't practical but you never know without asking.

Just my 2 cents. Trying to help. I'd love for baseball to be a product EFS provided.

Bill


I would think there would be some legal issues involved. Using those stats (per NFL.com) to run your website and make a profit. NFL would want its piece of the pie. As a home user there is nothing stopping you from doing that as you are doing it for your own personel use, but as a company (EFS) you would need to pay for the stats I believe.

[paladisiac]

Coming soon?? Well, one of these days.

The latest update i have is that this stats effort won't start until around September. With the extra time, I'll be working on a football redesign. Of course, I could receive the "go ahead" to work on the stats tomorrow... If September/October, i'll still want a quick beta test of everything.

[tec]

status update??

[Wolves]

status update??

Status update???

[paladisiac]

Status update???

Unfortunately the status update is not good. i can't move ahead until Stan gives me the $go ahead$ and my personal life clears up a little. i'm still so far behind on the football 2.0 redesign it's depressing.