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The basic 12 team league scoring rules state that a team must start 1 QB, 5 OL, 1XP, 1XK and the remaining players can be used in any formation.
To be clear, I intrepret the above to mean that I can start a formation WITHOUT a RB.
This is what the rule book states, but I want to confirm to be safe - please confirm if this is correct?
Example:
1QB
5OL
3WR
2TE
Please advise - thank you.
KramericaOilers
2007-12-30, 23:51
You must start at least 1 RB, but no more than 2. Even though it might not be stated as such in the rulebook, it is implied.
From the rulebook:
Below are all the legal formation combinations for basic scoring leagues. All positions are based on the EFS POS column from your team roster.
OFFENSE
2 RB-2 WR-1 TE
2 RB-3 WR-0 TE
2 RB-1 WR-2 TE
1 RB-2 WR-2 TE
1 RB-3 WR-1 TE
1 RB-4 WR-0 TE
The rules say: The remaining spots can be filled in a number of ways.
Not "The basic 12 team league scoring rules state that a team must start 1 QB, 5 OL, 1XP, 1XK and the remaining players can be used in any formation."
Then it lists the options:
2 RB-2 WR-1 TE
2 RB-3 WR-0 TE
2 RB-1 WR-2 TE
1 RB-2 WR-2 TE
1 RB-3 WR-1 TE
1 RB-4 WR-0 TE
To be specific - below are the exact words from the rule book.
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****All teams will be required to start 1 QB, 5 OL, 1 PK and 1 P. The remaining spots can be filled in a number of ways.**** Below are all the legal formation combinations for basic scoring leagues. All positions are based on the EFS POS column from your team roster.
OFFENSE
2 RB-2 WR-1 TE
2 RB-3 WR-0 TE
2 RB-1 WR-2 TE
1 RB-2 WR-2 TE
1 RB-3 WR-1 TE
1 RB-4 WR-0 TE
The rules contain a conflicting statement - it starts by saying that a RB is NOT required (goes as far as listing the required positions and RB is NOT one of them!) and the remaining positions can be filled in a number of ways. Then the rules do not give the owner the option for a 4 WR, 1TE, 0 RB or 5WR, 0 TE, 0 RB set as a formation option??
Since this league is trying to emulate reality, why couldn't/shouldn't a team be able to use a 4 WR, 1TE, 0RB OR 5WR, 0TE, 0RB set? Alot of shotgun formations in the NFL do not utilize RBs.
EFS can you please let me know ASAP as I have traded away key RBs based on the intrepretation of the rules above. Thanks.
You must start at least one RB. The rules do NOT say that you don't have to start one, you are reading that into the rules on your own. It clearly says that the remaining spots can be filled in a number of ways, and then if you look at the ways, at least ONE RB is required!
The ways listed do NOT show any way to start 0 RB's, those ARE the ways for the remaining spots.
KramericaOilers
2008-01-05, 22:48
EFS, will you please draw people a picture when stating the rules :rolleyes:
If you look at the ways to fill the remaining spots, you must also start at least ONE WR!
KramericaOilers
2008-01-05, 23:33
What about the double-double TE set when a couple of my olinemen are eligible receivers? Can't I start 4 TE's :D
Looking back at the current rules - understand the wording and my misintrepretation of the existing rules. Thanks for the clarification. ;)
That said - a 4/5 WR set with 0 RB is still a used formation by several teams in the NFL - I think we can agree with that (i.e. the shotgun with a 5 wr set). Why are these formations not legal?
Again - its about emulating the real game.
KramericaOilers
2008-01-06, 11:58
That said - a 4/5 WR set with 0 RB is still a used formation by several teams in the NFL - I think we can agree with that (i.e. the shotgun with a 5 wr set). Why are these formations not legal?
I can see your point there. I can dig it. In fact, in one league, I would've loved to have this type of rule this past season with all the injuries I had to my RB's
So why not? Spread offense is prevelant in the NFL and should be an option for EFS owners?
New Sets?
5 WR
0 TE
0 RB
or
4 WR
1 TE
0 RB
EFS - Thoughts?
paladisiac
2008-01-08, 00:20
Someone did these statistics years ago and such formations are rare. If you can find some hard statistics of how often these formations are run, then they might be considered. However, i doubt we will ever support a formation without a running back.
So why not? Spread offense is prevelant in the NFL and should be an option for EFS owners?
New Sets?
5 WR
0 TE
0 RB
or
4 WR
1 TE
0 RB
EFS - Thoughts?
Is there any way to be ableto play with a 4-4 defense. Like 4 dline and 4 Lbs with 3 dbs. This way it will be more realistic because teams play 8 in the box all the time.
shageman
2008-01-09, 10:13
Teams don't play "8 in the box" as a BASE defense however. (This is a guesstimate really; I have not factual research on this) The 8th man is typically the strong safety.
The 4-3 and 3-4 are the base defenses played in the NFL... With the 4-2-5 prob the next most common.
shageman
cid 305
when NFL teams play 8 men in the box, that 8th man is usually a Safety and not a LB, so I dont really see that formation as viable NFL formation. in college yes......but not in NFL...
tc
as far as the 5WR or 4WR-TE formations it would certainly be interesting to see what percentage of the time that these are used. my gut feeling is that its less than 15% of the time. By all NFL teams in 16 game season-not by specific teams for certain subset of games....
and much like EFS did last year, where the 3-2-6 Defensive lineup was deleted from our choices in Enhanced leagues due to, what i recall was used as the reason, a low percentage of use during games.....I would expect the same reasoning to apply to both the formations listed above on Offense.
tc
paladisiac
2008-01-09, 14:24
I agree this would probably be the case for 5WR or 4WR+1TE
as far as the 5WR or 4WR-TE formations it would certainly be interesting to see what percentage of the time that these are used. my gut feeling is that its less than 15% of the time. By all NFL teams in 16 game season-not by specific teams for certain subset of games....
and much like EFS did last year, where the 3-2-6 Defensive lineup was deleted from our choices in Enhanced leagues due to, what i recall was used as the reason, a low percentage of use during games.....I would expect the same reasoning to apply to both the formations listed above on Offense.
tc
Would have thought that the main focus of this type of a league was to have more flexibility (within reality of course) than restrictions.
Spread offenses are likely a prevelant option for 3rd and long situations for NFL teams.
Guess it depends on how much flexibility an owner should/wants to have....
Can we make this a league by league decision that is automated at league set-up?
DErickson88
2008-01-18, 16:47
My line of thought (however misguided) would be that if the NFL CAN and DOES play it, then it should offered as an option for US to play...
My line of thought (however misguided) would be that if the NFL CAN and DOES play it, then it should offered as an option for US to play...
Somehow I'm guessing that you have a hearty collection of wr's.
If you do have alot of WRs, you should be able to use them as a part of your strategy - hence the reason for the spread offense for some teams.
Understand the stats are low on this offense type - but can we make a league by league option?
EFS?
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