Rookie Salary Increase Needed as Salary Cap increases!

[tec]

As pointed out in another thread, with EFS adopting the NFL salary cap, but one year removed from implementing the amount, there is a rapidly expanding gap between Team Salary Cap and the status of the Rookie Salary scale.

Given the significant increases in the Salary cap this year, and what we know will happen in future years, and the increase in RFA bids this year, there is a need to increase the Rookie Salary cap in order to manage some of the excess cash owners have on hand.

I recommend that EFS management consider the following proposal, for implementation in Jan 2009-

a. Rookie salary cap inflation- each year the NFL salary cap increases the EFS Rookie Salary cap will increase in response. For 2009 season it is recommended that the 1.1 pick salary be $4.00 Million and the following picks salaries be recalculated commensurate with that. In addition, the 7.16 pick should see a substantial increase also...perhaps to 0.500

b. in 2010 the 1.1 pick should have a salary of $5.00 Million with the 7.16 pick having a salary of approximately 0.800 or something like that, dependent upon the sliding scale calculation EFS has in place now.

c. subsequent years the 1.1 salary should increase in 0.200 increments with others to follow...

I think this idea and this proposal need some discussion here, hopfully with some resolution by May/June so implementation can occur for Jan 2009.

thanks, look forward to anyone's comments

tc

[RAPTURE]

Since future draft picks have changed hands with the understanding the 1.1 pick would cost $3mm, the 1.2 pick would cost...etc...etc., I believe a change cannot fairly be made until 2011. If announced a salary change is made now, the value of 2011+ picks can be fairly traded based on the increased salaries.

A salary increase on rookie picks from 2008-2010 would be unfair to current owners who have made trades to acquire them.

[Bluecaterpillar]

Yes, and no... NFL Teams make trades based on expected salaries for rookies for years to come, but they never know for sure. The huge jump 2 years ago took a lot of franchises by surprises and provided a much bigger cap cushion. So, all in all, we could very well modify the rookie cap structure now and you would just have to either clear the room for that pricey 2010.1.1 or eat him up -- like a real franchise does.
Cheers!
-Blue

[tec]

this argument-delaying until 2011- doesnt hold a lot of water.....as Bluecaterpillar says we all have to operate under the revised rules....by the time this occurs for 2009 the cap that year will be 116 Million, 9 more than this year! we should all be able to very easily fit the proposed adjustment into our cap-we just have to plan for it

tc

[meyword]

How about an annual 10% (or thereabouts) increase per pick, retroactive to the Salary Cap increase (or not). Something like this:

2007 - $3.600 (.600)
2008 - $4.320 (.720)
2009 - $5.184 (.864)
2010 - $6.221 (1.037)
etc.

So, depending on when it gets implemented; Rookie salaries would make one big jump and then steadily increase from there. Although that formula could really get outta' hand in just a few years! :eek:

[Samdari]

How about an annual 10% (or thereabouts) increase per pick, retroactive to the Salary Cap increase (or not). Something like this:

2007 - $3.600 (.600)
2008 - $4.320 (.720)
2009 - $5.184 (.864)
2010 - $6.221 (1.037)
etc.

So, depending on when it gets implemented; Rookie salaries would make one big jump and then steadily increase from there. Although that formula could really get outta' hand in just a few years! :eek:


The easiest way to do this is to just scale the current cap vs 100 mil and increase the rookie scale accordingly. For example, this year we would just multiply existing rookie sals by 1.07.

And we'd need at least until 2009 to implement it. The relative value of picks does change as the percentage of the cap they take up changes.

All in all though, I think the change was a bad idea, and I wish there were a good way to just roll back to 100 mil cap. There really is not though.

[DErickson88]

Although I have benefitted from this increase in salary cap as much as (if not more) than anyone, I too am in favor of raising the rookie salaries to match.

I would second the motion that rookie salaries increase at the same percentage rate that our salary cap increases. I think a million a year jump is a little heavy, but increasing it the same percentage as the cap increase seems fair.

Dwight

[jgb95]

with the percentage increase annually if the NFL cap changes

[therockfordfiles]

The total salary was raised two years in a row without a raise in Rookie Contract or League Minimum Contracts. I, and others, implored EFS to raise all minimums the first time the Salary Cap was raised. But we were ignored.

I think it's unfair to change it now. I, and others, have made bids in and player contracts with the expectation that EFS was not going to raise minimums (even it though not raising minimums was a ludicrous plan).

If Minimums are going to change, I think it's VERY unfair for them to change before 2011.

And if they do change, the only Normal and Reasonable way (which is often antithetical to how EFS operates, unfortunately) is to have BOTH Rookie Contracts and Veteran Minimum salaries increase the SAME Percentage as the Overall Salary increased for that year. The tide raises all ships.

I think it's a shame that EFS instituted this salary increase in the first place and didn't take into consideration the effects it would have. But you made your bed, now lie in it. I DID take the effects into consideration and I bid on players accordingly and my teams looks different than they would have had this whole thing not happened.. It's really not cool for EFS to change the rules midstream again, now.

And, again. I'm sure no one will pay attention. And next year some other lame rule will be implemented and then two years later we'll need another lame rule to fix the first one.

Why don't you just leave well enough alone?

I'm in favor of increasing Rookie Contracts and Veteran Miniums by the same percentage of the Overall Salary Cap increase, BUT NOT UNTIL 2011!

[Bluecaterpillar]

Look:
I am the first one to think that cap is smack... at $100mil it had no teeth... I have seen more championships and finals played by near-bankrupt teams than cap rich ones... Actually, cap flow usually means lack of owner involvement. So we all can bid some guys $9Mil now rather than $5 2 years ago...
But it still does not make it right and I am not sure I understand the wait until 2011? S--t happens and a bump in rookie caps could be part of it. It would only put some bite back into an already toothless mechanism.
And, funny as it is, this is coming from an owner who has a 1003 team fresh off a brand new ring, $15mil left and 4 picks between 1.2 and 2.10... so already close to bankrupt!! Do I care? Nope... I am all for paying 4mil for my 1.2... it just makes sense. It does.
Cheerios!!
-Blue

[tec]

so we compound a problem we already have when the Rookie cap did not increase by delaying it 3 years? that really doesnt make sense to me...

I very much doubt that anyone really considers the salary associated with rookie picks at this stage of the season when trading for those picks,....so I dont find that argument compelling either.

Now if you read the original post above, the proposal I made would institute increases in the Rookie Salary Cap with the 2009 season, NOT 2008.....

bottom line is this discussion has been great, generated lots of discussion, which was the original intent. But...so far no one in EFS management has joined the fray here so i dont have any idea if this is even anything that EFS would institute or not....

the EFS position will tell the tale.....by starting this discussion now we can hopefully get some resolution by summer so that the EFS community knows what is in store for the future...

[meyword]

:D In retrospect, a Rookie salary increase commensurate with the League salary cap would seem to be the fairest way to go about this.

I.E. A base $100 mil. w/ increases of 1.07, 1.09, etc. as the Salary Cap goes up to $107 mil., $109 mil., etc.

Just a couple more cents worth...

Charlie Meyer
Olympia Brewhawks

[coachl]

The rookie salaries definitely should be increased as the cap is increased. It should be done on percentages. When the cap was 100 mil the 1.1 was 3.0 which is 3% of the cap. So now that the cap is 109 mil the 1.1 should be 3% of that cap for 2008 which would be 3.27. If some of you are going to complain about 270 thous. , then we could wait until the cap is 116mil in 2009 and that would be an increase of 16% so increasing the 1.1 by 16% results in the 1.1 being 3.48mil. Each pick decreases by approx. 1.9% now so in 2009 we would have 1.1 = 3.48 mil , 1.2 = 3.41, 1.3 = 3.35 mil and so on until the 7.16 = .410. Which in my view means that the minimum salary should also increase to .410.
By the way these figures were done based on a 16 team league. The pick values would have to be different in a 12-team league.

Kevin

[Guardian]

The easiest way to do this is to just scale the current cap vs 100 mil and increase the rookie scale accordingly. For example, this year we would just multiply existing rookie sals by 1.07.

And we'd need at least until 2009 to implement it. The relative value of picks does change as the percentage of the cap they take up changes.

All in all though, I think the change was a bad idea, and I wish there were a good way to just roll back to 100 mil cap. There really is not though.

I also agree with the notion to change the rookie salaries porportionately to the salary cap. Which, by the way, I believe is $109M right now, not $107M.

So by that notion all rookie salary points would get a 9% increase for this season.

I'd also like to state support for doing it right away. No pussy-footing around waiting to do it until someone can get all their ducks in a row a year or two later. It's a 9% increase on individual contracts, you can handle that change. Even if you have 3 first rounders it's only a change around $2.4M.

[KramericaOilers]

I'm all for changing it accordingly but I think the change shouldn't take effect until the 2009 season. I know "I" have more than enough cap space for all of my teams, but it wouldn't be fair to those who were cutting it close and not expecting such a change to occur. If we were to say, "these changes will take effect for the 2009 season" right now, a full season to get your salary cap under control should be plenty of time.

Just my 2 cents

[tec]

and in my original post I recommended the change to occur in 2009

[meyword]

I agree on 2009, as the NFL Draft is 47 days - 15 hours - 8 minutes away and the change might require some major reshuffling for some teams. And there are only a few of us taking part in this discussion...

Charlie Meyer
Olympia Brewhawks
:D

[Bluecaterpillar]

... And there are only a few of us taking part in this discussion...
:D

Well, gee... I wonder why??
Well, in fairness, EFS is at least not participating at all in the discussion....!
-Blue