Free Renewals For Super Bowl Participants

[marauders]

Does anyone know why the Super Bowl Participants in our Private LG666 League DO NOT get free renewals for 2007 ??

We all still pay the same $75 to EFS for playing in EFS

I think LG666 should get the Free Renewals too

Does anyone know Why ??

Ron of The Marauders

[perriconer]

I dont think we pay $75. I think we pay $60. I believe the extra $15 is the reason why. I propose we all pay the extra $15 to be included in that.

[perriconer]

Yeah I was right here is the breakdown:


Prize Payout
$150 x 16 = $2,400 – (16 x $60 = $960, EFS Fees) = $1,440 Available
1st Place = $500
2nd Place = $300
3rd Place = $170
4th Place = $160
5th Place = $110
6th Place = $100
High Points = $100 (Regular Season High Total Points)



If we all pay $15 more it will be $240 to EFS which should be distributed as free entries to the superbowl participants and $50 to the winner.

that is a value of $200 paid out and EFS still gets an extra $40 for their troubles.

[marauders]

Rich - You might be right and I agree - we should kick up the fee to $165 andbe included in the Free Renewals and Championship T-Shirt

[paladisiac]

for 2008? i think it's a little late to make the fee change now.

and for that matter, it's been my puppy peeve with league 666 that all playoff teams don't play for free the next year. I also don't like how the high scorer has its own payout when most times than not that person's going to make the playoffs anyway. How about upping the fee from $165 to $175 so that if you make the playoffs, you play for free the next year? This is my payout idea:

Prize Payout
$175 x 16 = $2,800 – (16 x $75 = $1200, EFS Fees) = $1,600 Available
1st Place = $620 ($520 + $100 for efs superbowl win)
2nd Place = $310
3rd Place = $210
4th Place = $200
5th Place = $185
6th Place = $175

Therefore, if you make the playoffs 3rd-through-6 seed, then your prize money covers your team cost for the next year.

I assume that, since regular leagues pay $75 and offer free superbowl renewal based on that fee, that our superbowl participants would still need to pay $75 (instead of $150). Under that assumption, 2nd place plays for free so that's actually a $75 bump up from the current $300 ($150 of which is for renewal). 1st place is a huge bump up from $500-$150 to $500+$25-- a $175 difference.

This, of course, assumes that all my math and assumptions are correct.

Also, why don't i have a free t-shirt just by being a co-owner Stan? In addition, i lost a Superbowl -- send me a shirt! :)

marauders wrote:
Rich - You might be right and I agree - we should kick up the fee to $165 andbe included in the Free Renewals and Championship T-Shirt

[ZFactor]

To answer Ron's initial question, L666 isa private leaguefrom EFS's viewpoint.

This means that we control our payouts, EFS gets $60 per team for a total of $960 for us to compete as an EFS league. All the rest of the money above the $960 for EFS is currently being paid out, we are not getting shorted in any way by EFS.

Note: Stan and Co. are working to reduce EFS's costs so that in the future our league might only have to pay $40/team = $640 total to EFS.

[ZFactor]

Comments to rockey's proposal:

1) The increase from $150 - $175 would have to be accepted by the majority of league owners.

2) There is still a payout problem, rockey's math is leaving $150 extra on the table for SB participants, but $350 (2 x $175) would be necessary to cover their entry fees, not (2 x $ 75)

3) EFS (Keith & Stan) do not want the added work of having to credit the entry fee for 1 or 2 teams for our league.

4) I like the High points payout, but if the majority of league owners want to drop it, I am ok with shifting it........

ZFactor

[paladisiac]

To keep the payout as-is now, i'd like to move the $100 high points to playoff teams 5 & 6, giving them $150 & $160. That way, they play for free the next year.

ZFactor wrote:
Comments to rockey's proposal:


4) I like the High points payout, but if the majority of league owners want to drop it, I am ok with shifting it........

ZFactor

[marauders]

I am also in agreement to move the $100 for High PPG to the 5th Place & 6th Place Teams in 2007 giving them $160 for 5th Place and $150 for 6th Place

The Marauders

[perriconer]

I think the high points payout should go to the top 1 or 2 teams. Having won it this year, I don't think the payout to win the league is enough. LG 747 pays out $1500 to the winner and all we pay is $100 more per person. I think this league is better and more competitive.

It's too late for 2007 but maybe bump up to $200 per person

$200 - EFS ($60) = $140 x 16 = $2240


my proposal for 2008 would be

1) $750
2) $450
3) $320
4) $300
5) $220
6) $200

[jwsmen]

For 2008, (or 2007 if you want.)

Now that we have total points vs. on the standings page, how about using some of the $100.00 as a boobie prize for the owner who had to play to toughest schedule?

Coincientally, this year it was LAFSH who had 7752 pts scored against.

Maybe $50.00 with a potential $50.00 bonus if the team still makes the playoffs, otherwise the extra $50.00 could go to the team with the highest regular season average.

My 2 cents,

Jason

[perriconer]

hehehe he said boobie

[paladisiac]

i don't know about this. You'd basically be rewarding a team for other teams playing well. Generally, one of the lower scoring teams would pick up this boob prize.

If there was a way to say "give a prize to the non-playoff team who played the toughest schedule and had a good avg ppg as well" i might go for that, but that's a bit convoluted.

jwsmen1 wrote:
For 2008, (or 2007 if you want.)

Now that we have total points vs. on the standings page, how about using some of the $100.00 as a boobie prize for the owner who had to play to toughest schedule?


My 2 cents,

Jason

[jwsmen]

How do you justify your logic on that one? Just because you play the toughest schedule (which is what having the highest points against would respresent) doesn't mean that your team is bad. All it means is your team drew the toughest opponents on a weekly basis throughout the year. That's why I suggested $50.00 if they didn't make the playoffs and $100.00 if they made it in spite of the toughest opponent score.


BTW, 8 owners averaged less than the 404 LAFSH averaged. That's half the league. Now sure LAFSH didn't do all that well this season but had opponents scored the 7051 pts (391.7) against us that scored against SB Champ The Omen instead of the 7752 pts (430.6) that were actually scored against us, I imagine the 6-12 record would have looked a whole lot better.

No sour grapes, just pointing out that we have no control over how well or poorly teams play against us on a weekly basis.

I just thought we could offer some condolences to the hard luck owner each year.

J

[paladisiac]

In principle i think it's a good idea, but generally my logic is mathematically sound. If you're the lowest scoring team, then you play the top 15 scoring teams and your "OPP TOT PPG" -should- be the highest. Of course, that's skewed based on how strong your division is, our double weeks along with a short 18 game sample set, but it's the facts.

And maybe those skewing factors might be enough for me to agree to this, since all the lowest scoring teams didn't have the highest opponent totals. I don't know. (Most likely i'll end up qualifying for this in 2007 and find some irony here.)

What i do know is that my first priority is to move that $100 hi avg to playoff teams 5 & 6 so that all playoff teams play the next year for free.

[Warlord]

I'm totally against any boobie prizes (not boobies though!). We should get rid of the $100 high point total and kick that $$$ to the top 2 finishers. I am for any breakdown that includes:

1) Nice payout for 1st and 2nd (they earned it).

2) Top 4 teams recoup their costs.

3) 5th & 6th get a little something for making the playoffs (like half their dues).

4) Getting rid of high point totals.

5) No silly boobie prizes.

6) Increasing the stakes if all agree.

Warlord

[perriconer]

As I already stated, get rid of the $100 for hi score and give it to the top two teams. The object is to win.

[marauders]

The Marauders agree with the Warlord & The Omen................ get rid of the high points prize, increase the Prizes for the Super Bowl Participants (1st & 2nd Place) AND I would agree to BUMP UP the entry fees by $25 to $50 to increase the prize money for the 6 Playoff Teams AND get the Super Bowl Champion an EFS SHIRT !!!!

THE MARAUDERS

[easybpw]

I'd go with any format that awarded free entry to all playoff teams.

On another note, how can one voice an opinion with any subject in this league who hasn't even paid his 2007 fee yet?

Just a question, doesn't seem very fair.

Bill - Philadelphia Freedom

[perriconer]

On another note, how can one voice an opinion with any subject in this league who hasn't even paid his 2007 fee yet?

Just a question, doesn't seem very fair.



LOL thats real funny. I won the league last year (2006) and didnt pay for 2007. In my book I was owed $350 by EFS.

I paid today, that is when I had the money. So am I allowed to voice my opinion now? (by the way, my late payment was already cleared by EFS and by Tom) Sorry if it caused you any inconvenience. NOT

[easybpw]

Not trying to be funny - EFS stated that renewals were due the 31st - didn't matter if you won or not you still owed by then. In any case it's good to have the league paid up, communication would of been nice to avoid all this.

Anyhow...

Bill

[perriconer]

There was communication. The people that needed to know knew.

BTW I didn't hink you were trying to be funny. I was just being sarcastic.

[easybpw]

Most would include league members as people who need to know - Not going to debate this with you, you're the only one who won money and didn't pay until the last moment. The rest didn't wait for their checks, as was EFS policy. And I also know I'm not the only one who questioned this. But it really doesn't matter anymore. Next year I think I'll wait until the day before to renew too.

Bill

[perriconer]

Dude, since you stated you weren;t going to debate me about this and then proceeded to do so, I will give you your explanation.

I am having financial problems and may have had to quit if I didn't win in any of my leagues. Since I won LG 666 and won money in another league I thought I could apply the winnings to my league fees. When I found out I couldn't, I made provisions to pay LG 666 this week and LG 747 next week. I did not think you nor any of the other league members needed to know my personal business, since it really was not going to affect any of you. Tom knew and if he wanted to let you guys know he would have emailed you. If you feel like not debating this further, I suggest you email me personally. Or if anyone else has a problem with this, they can do the same.

[perriconer]

Just an FYI:


I found this in the General Information - Issues for
2007 thread of the EFS Forums:

Posted: 2006-12-27 22:39

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That's true, but I was looking forward to the money so
that I don't have to borrow or go into debt to renew
for 2007 (if I didn't cash that's what I would have
done, but I did so I didn;t think I would have too).
I just thought it was common sense to expect 2006 to
be settled before having to pay for 2007.


>>> sid edit >>>
OK, let me try this again... First, the rule has
always been that if you were out of the playoffs you
had to renew, period. We have relaxed that somewhat
by waiting until the full EFS season is over. Second,
we have moved the orphan date back to about January
15th giving owners more time to renew. Third, I will
look at, and consider, allowing winners to apply their
winnings to different leagues. We may do that this
year in order to fix this problem, it will be done
with a pencil and not a system but there are not that
many owners that win and apply to different leages.
On this I will try to help you out.

We have 2+ weeks to make this happen.
<<< end edit sid <<<

Last edited on 2006-12-27 23:06 by sid
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The initial reply was done by me. After Sid responed to me I paid
my one league where I did not make the playoffs. Playoff teams had until Jan15th to pay and I paid Jan 13th.

[jwsmen]

Guys,

If you ever wanted to know what the perfect definition of moot is, read the last few posts.

Come on! The league is paid in full and EFS hasn't even switched the league year to 2007 yet.

Why are we wasting any additional breath on this.

The league is paid up, RFA starts in a month. Looks like we're good to go.

J